Honda Camino 65cc kit

kalinkamaen · Post by **kalinkamaen** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 11:55

Will i loose much acceleration. I really loved how the bike accelerated uphill.

standreww · Post by **standreww** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 12:05

I dont know, I have never driven those gears.

You can compensate a little, by getting your drivebelt lower at the front.

Loosen the big screw of the frontvario a little, than the belt comes lower at the front.
If you do so, you have to tighten the screw with locktite, otherwize you will losse the screw, rolls and your front vario.

You should check if the belt at front starts at his lowest position. The bottom of the rim should come against the axis.
If not, loosen the screw a little. Just a bit, so the belt doesn't slip, but sits lowest on the front.

kalinkamaen · Post by **kalinkamaen** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 12:13

Is it also possible to drop som weights to compensate? I have read some where that you can remove every secon weight to gain acceleration?

standreww · Post by **standreww** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 12:24

Yes it's possible.
But maybe the engine is gonna make to much RPM (rotation per minute).
And you're not driving faster than. Maybe the cylinder wil heat up.

And probably the front vario is going to slip cause the weights are to light.
But you can try it, it might work. I dont know wich weights you have now.

I think 6 x 8grams/weight, it depends.
Try 3 weights, and tell us.

kalinkamaen · Post by **kalinkamaen** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 12:29

Hehe oki.

I need to think a little bit on this. I can also try to port the cylinder to get some rpm.
And as you said more air to the tires is good. My tires are like bent in a way. So that will also
give less speed. And i am not 100% abaout my breaks. Think my rear breaks are holding a little bit.

So what is the setup you guys run around with? And what speed?

standreww · Post by **standreww** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 12:43

About porting the cylinder I dont know anything.
Just that you can not bore him if something go's wrong, cause it's aluminium with nicasil wand.

About the brakes, it's a common problem.
You should set the moped on bycicle and turn the wheel with your hands.
See if it keeps on turning, or if it holds.

Than it's cleaning the inner brakes, and loosen them a little.
But not to much, so you still can brake if necessary.

My setup is
65 cc Biturbo (a copy of Zeta cylinder)
Scootervario at front (a little bigger diameter, lower at front, and 3x4gr and 3x3.5gr weights)
Proma with APC and Polymer (APC is just for show)
72km/h and reasonable good acceleration (could be better)

kalinkamaen · Post by **kalinkamaen** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 12:56

Can you give me an explenation what the lighter weights does with the bike.
And also the scootervario?

Thank you!

standreww · Post by **standreww** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 13:45

With lighter weights it takes more time for the vario to close at front.
Your rim stays longer at bottom at front, and longer at his highest point at back.

Resulting in more RPM at start. To light is not good, to heavy weights isn't good also.

You have to think like they're gears of a bycicle.
At lightest gears, you have to peddle harder to go a certain speed.
At lowest gears, you can't start that good, and you need to work harder to peddle.

A cylinder has a powerband, it means it's best rpm that gives the most power.
It's the art of finding the right amount of weights for best results.

The scootervario is a little bigger than the original one.
Means the belt at front comes higher at top speed.
The scootervario is new and self fabricated to fit the moped.
It has no waves in "point of contact" with the side of the belt.
Resulting in a more evenly speed, from start to topspeed.

Nicogsi · Post by **Nicogsi** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 13:54

also for the scootervario there are many many weights for sale.
because our camino uses 14 x 14 weights and that is difficult to find

kalinkamaen · Post by **kalinkamaen** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 13:59

where did you buy your scotervario then?

standreww · Post by **standreww** » Sat 09 Nov 2013, 14:15

Yes, one pro thing about a scootervario is the weights are sold everywhere.

I bought the scootervario at http://www.bromfietsenkurt.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's a vario for a Zip scooter.

But it doesn't fit a camino. It has to be mould. (the hole of the vario must be made bigger)
And the original vario at motor side, has to be turned off.
Than it fits.

kalinkamaen · Post by **kalinkamaen** » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 10:04

Hello sir.

I have been working a little bit on my camino latly. I have changed my speedo from 60 km/h
to 80 km/h gadge, drilled my nozzle to 85. I have also ordered more nozzles so i can test a little bit.
I am working on getting a TJT variator to fit on my moped now.

Another thing. I found this variator for Piaggio Zip that is really cheap i think. Look your selfe:

http://www.thansen.dk/product.asp?c=107 ... 1712452791" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this what you have on your camino? If its the same, what modification did you do to make it fit?
I can see that the plate need some welding to be able to fit, but is there more?

Thanks, and sorry for not being active for a while.

Edit!! Sorry i could see a lot of the answears are made over here. What do you mean about
turn off variator on engine side. I know what part you are talking about, but if i take it off,
do I need to change it wit some other part? I this is the case, witch part?

Kali

standreww · Post by **standreww** » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 12:59

hey

http://www.scooterforyou.nl/onderdelens ... 188210.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This one it is. But it's much cheaper at http://www.bromfietsenkurt.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (38€ + shippingcosts)

I mean the axle where the vario runs over should be made thinner. (motorside)
You must use the original Honda part but make it thinner.

And the hole of the varioplate must be made bigger.
So they fit on each other.

Don't know the name in english but it's something like this.
"Draaibank" in Dutch. It's to remove metal from the vario motorside.
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kalinkamaen · Post by **kalinkamaen** » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 15:29

Oki thank you. I understand what you mean. In norweigan its called dreiebenk.
Then i understand. Then i will use my TJT variator because that is less work.
The only thing i need to do is weld the plate a bit smaller. I will keep you guys updated.

I have been cleaning the bike the best i could and put som wax on

I also bought a moped to take parts from:

So i have taken the wheels on this one and sanded them down, so they are ready to
get painted with some white paint. I hope it will look okey.

I am looking forward to get it finished and roadready this summer

standreww · Post by **standreww** » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 17:43

That wax sure looks good!

Nice black camino you have bought. Honda Camino Sport.

But the red one is a little more rare in great condition and it's a couple of years older.
Keep up the good work!!

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